Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 This is the gig ready podcast.
Speaker 1 00:00:09 I got to give you a better voiceover for that. <inaudible>
Speaker 0 00:00:18 Well, it's a good thing that I can edit Mike out of this. So, uh, but if Mike can get me a better, if you can get me a better voice over dude, I'll take it, man.
Speaker 2 00:00:27 Oh yeah. Yeah. Just give me what you want. I'll do it for you. Okay. Hey, if there was ever a gig ready voice, that's it. Okay. All right. People have been telling me that, you know, a little voice for radio, not for television now. That's right. That's right. We all have voices for them.
Speaker 0 00:00:46 Radio. That's why we're technicians. That's why we're touring. That's why we do the things that we do, uh, is not to be in the limelight and just say for behind the camera, honey. That's right, exactly. But, uh, yeah guys, so, uh, gig ready. This is episode 33, the magic number of 33. We're excited about it. And we're going to be talking about some touring today. We've got some brother in arms that, uh, are touring veterans. We've got Mr. Dan Crowe, illustrious audio engineer, Rob Konig, lighting designer, and Mike, I completely spaced on your last name right now. It's Burgess Mike Burgess, uh, carpenter production manager Xtrordinair. Uh, we've all worked with lots of people, names that frankly, we don't feel like talking about. Cause we've spent too much time on the road dealing with too many different bands and tours and too many egos. So suffice it to say, um, we love putting together great shows, doing good work, um, making things look beautiful so that the people who come to the shows can enjoy an experience unlike anything they've ever seen.
Speaker 0 00:01:55 Um, and we're excited to get back to that. I know that my heart first came out of the touring industry, uh, from doing all the shows that we do. And I know each of you guys do do too. So thank you first off for being here. Um, man, we're going to dive right in and I think that the best place to start, uh, touring with COVID or the, or the idea that COVID is going to exist while we're touring. Um, w w first off, I think what's your perspective on, uh, let's say, are you, does it bother you? Are you, are you concerned about going back out on tour knowing that, you know, COVID is out there and, and that, you know, it's the, the virus lurking in the dark kind of deal or are you kind of like, Hey man, let's get back to work, let's do this and figure out a way to do it. Right. What do you guys think
Speaker 2 00:02:46 Let's get back out there. Yeah, let's get back to work. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:02:50 I'm with you. What about you, Rob? What do you think
Speaker 2 00:02:52 I'm, I'm kind of in between there being a guy that goes out, walks out to front of house every night and stadiums and arenas. Um,
Speaker 3 00:03:00 I will probably be continuing to wear my mask in that environment, uh, during the day during load ins. I don't, I don't, I don't see much of a necessity to it because I think a lot of the tours are going to probably ensure that most of the staff, at least as, as vaccinated. Um, so I'm not terribly concerned about the day, but walking through, you know, 10 to 50,000 people every night is a little concerning. So I may be masking it up for a little while until yeah. Until we're a little bit more in the clear, but, um, I think it's time to get back. I think now that we're actually seeing a major decrease in numbers. Um, and we still, obviously up in your neck of the woods in Oregon, there's still hotspots. Um, governor just shut everything down and yeah, so, I mean, there's, there's still some hotspots and stuff, but I think it's time people have got to get back to work. Um, as far as I'm concerned, the government did do enough to make sure that people could stay afloat during this time. So people have really got to get some money back in their pockets. They've got a lot of back bills to pay, Oh dude, it's going to be rough for a lot of people for a very, very long time. So we got to get back to it. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:04:03 A hundred percent. Um, Dan, you were going to say something, you looked like you had something to say there, buddy.
Speaker 5 00:04:08 No, no, no. I just completely agree with Rob, especially, um, at front of house, um, because we are not in a closed, uh, rather controlled backstage environment. Um, we're out there with the audience. Um, it's very concerning. Um, and, uh, so Mar are our teams, um, are, you know, a lot of contacts, uh, cause we're all starting to plan, uh, when we're going and how we're going. Um, and so, you know, it's, uh, there's just so many it's I want to get back out there, but it's going to be, it's going to be very different, um, from everything from showers backstage to how a tour breasts, allocations work too. I mean, there's, it's going to be a very different world than what we were used to. Um, you know, I'm, I'm at the end of my rope, so I'm, uh, I'm really, uh, I can't wait. One of, uh, one of the acts that I worked somewhat with is already going out and they're doing their first leg in, uh, later this month and in of course, Florida. Uh, but, uh, so it started to come back. Um, but it it's going to be so different. Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:05:23 What, um, what are they, what are they doing your tour specifically? What are they doing to protect you guys on the bus? And I mean, are you going to do daily testing obviously? Uh, are you, I know you're vaccinated, but, um, is the whole, is the whole crew required to be,
Speaker 5 00:05:40 Um, well, our crew stays, um, there, there are two separate camps. There's a saturate honey camp and the Hagar camp and we stayed to gather on zoom calls. So we do that twice a week and we've been slowly asking him questions and figuring it out and they're very, very concerned. Um, so one of them is, uh, is gonna be smaller buses, uh, in smaller amounts of people on buses.
Speaker 0 00:06:08 Yeah, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 5 00:06:10 That's basically what it's going to be. Um, and, um, as far as testing, um, from what I hear, it's going to be whatever the local regulations are. Um, but everybody, I think there's 20 people between our two camps. Um, everybody's vaccinated in this sport. Um, we're, you know, everybody's super cautious. Um, and I think, you know, for us, uh, it's a lot more indoor shows, which are a whole different kettle of fish. Um, because you're seeing so many outdoor shows and festivals starting to book and, you know, God I'd feel more comfortable in an outdoor show than an indoor show at this point, but I don't think that's how it's going to work.
Speaker 0 00:06:51 Yeah, there'll be a lot. I mean, there's lots of outdoor for sure. I mean, we've got, I know Lollapalooza, I believe is going to go back. I've heard, I know BottleRock has been approved Bonneroo is at the end of the month, uh, Bonner is a hundred percent capacity they're doing full on going for it. So
Speaker 5 00:07:09 Bonner is in September, is it September outside lands? Uh, Halloween weekend, which is already flown by.
Speaker 0 00:07:18 Yeah, exactly. But those are good signs. I mean, we've got people going out. I mean, I know a number of guys that are out on tour doing a drive in still doing, um, doing different, uh, different projects. And so, I mean, thankfully people are getting back out there. They're getting to work. Um, condo bunks, man. I, I, I don't tour anymore, but that'd be like, that's like the dream mandatory condo bucks on a bus. Um, what about, uh, so from a front of house standpoint, especially Dan and Rob equipment, uh, opening acts versus, uh, main acts versus sharing gear versus kinda, have you guys had any discussions about what that might look like? Uh, you know, Rob, of course, you know, w working with some of the artists you have, you don't have to share. Um, so you, you know, that's a, that's a good thing, but the other acts, the guys who are, you know, they're, the young guys are getting started. That's how they begin in this industry. I mean, you know, you know, you got two different bands on a console, that kind of stuff. Do you think that they're going to kind of going to try and continue that, or we just make front of house bigger and everybody gets their own stuff now? No,
Speaker 5 00:08:26 No, I don't. I don't think so. I think we're going to be able to keep with that. I mean, it's very easy. I mean, we watched the press conferences where someone walks up wipes off a microphone and we're okay. You know, I think, great. You take your console, you lock it, you wipe it down after your opening act is done. Cause I do, thankfully, as you said, I don't have to share my gear a lot of the time. And a lot of the time I do like for our, our last run, a kneeler with Volbeat was on his own console, but then say, uh, Owen with avenged sevenfold was on my backup console. Yeah. So you know, it all, it
Speaker 3 00:08:56 All depends on who it is. And I, if I know they're going to be respectful to the gear that they're happy to use mine. Um, but I think a quick wipe down of the gear, uh, is completely fine. Just take some, you know, wipes, wipe everything down, wipe your seat down. It's all fine. I think it's going to be cool. I think one thing I'm going to do, and my wife has been doing, um, COVID compliance officer stuff lately. And I think one of the, one of the big things about being in enclosed spaces is air movement. Yeah. So I've got these little air filters that I have at my house. I've used them for years. This is another reason to use them. It's got a little UVC light built-in built-in on the inside of it. I'm going to carry two or three for front of house and set 'em up around me.
Speaker 3 00:09:31 So we get some constant air movement going around, get a little bit of bacterial filtering and infect and stuff. And yeah, at least for me, it'll give me a little peace of mind or whatever, but it'll, it'll help out, I think. Yeah. But I'm not, I'm not too worried about the sharing of the gear. I mean, it's, if we were dealing with guitars or something like that, I'd be a little bit more concerned. You know what? Someone's bleeding all over a guitar for a half an hour and sweating all over it, but lighting console, I'm fine. Wipe it down real quick. You're good. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:09:56 Well, and you're right. Air air movement, air airborne particles are a significantly greater risk than, than, uh, you know, touching stuff. And we can even do. There's a lot of antibacterial. Um, there's so many great products. Now, in fact, I use one regularly called Omni shield. That basically is a 90 day protectant. That kills. It actually kills things faster when it lands on a surface than when you try and disinfect it. Cause most disinfectant is like a five minute process of leaving it wet, all that, uh, within 60 seconds, Omni shield is a mechanical reaction that causes the virus to actually become incontinent within, uh, less than 60 seconds. So, um, and it's electronic safe. So like keyboards and stuff, we actually spray schools where we'll go through, we'll spray the keyboards, we'll spray the mouses and all that stuff and it just dries and it's there. And it's one more layer of, uh, of protection. We do it on some of our cases, you know, things that are touched regularly, that sort of stuff in the shop as well. So, um,
Speaker 6 00:10:52 The underworld loud at all sprayed all over it.
Speaker 0 00:10:55 Yeah, exactly. Um, so I mean, Mike, from a, from a working standpoint gear, um, I mean, you know, when you're carpentry, when you're doing that, so if you got guys working in close spaces, I mean, yeah.
Speaker 6 00:11:09 Next to each other, lifting decks. I mean, you're breathing air from person that's right next to you. Yeah. I mean, you were in such close quarters as a carpenter automation building stuff that you've got no choice. Yeah. It's going to be an interesting first couple of builds of getting things in that process time. Yeah. Even featherweight, once you put it on everything still weighs like 300 pounds
Speaker 4 00:11:39 Because of that close proximity. And, and, and if, you know, if we start acquiring some form of social distancing on load ins, you know, how much extra time do you think we're going to need to put shows in, um,
Speaker 6 00:11:54 You know, coming into a city for one night, nightstand, uh, I mean ready somebody who's going to have to start rethinking what a stage looks like to, uh, you know, it's insane. Some of the things they want to do, I mean, just underworld alone, there's pathways, you build this people running back and forth, all show along and you know, we're going to be putting air filtration and now you're adding a guy probably just to do that. Yep. Underneath a stage. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:12:26 Well that, and that was the power guy on a lot of the stuff that we did, you know, he had, they had built in AC units. They had all that. I mean, so they were already creating those environments. Rob, you were going to, you kind of were going to jump in there a second ago, talking about guys and people around each other and so on.
Speaker 3 00:12:41 Yeah. I just, let me get, let me give you a little bit of experience of what happened prior to the pandemic. I was on a tour. It was, it was Eric Church. It was a few years ago. We had a mini pandemic kind of happened on our tour. And, um, over the course of three shows, we went from, it was around a hundred personnel on the tour, including drivers. We dropped down to about 30 people actually able to work and I'm talking, we hadn't lost a couple of band members. By the time we got to salt Lake city, it was, it was bad. And um, we had quarantine buses and quarantine rooms and everything else at the gigs, the morning of salt Lake city. We didn't have enough people to put up the show. We couldn't put up the show. So the call was made to Eric and told him how bad it had gotten, because he already knew because literally during one of the shows, the bass player just is gone and I'm screaming out of spotlight operator that he's not on the bass player.
Speaker 3 00:13:31 And he's like, no, buddy's on stage backstage going. And you're, Lee's puking in a bucket back here. I'm like, Oh, okay. And then we lost the drummer and it just kept going. So we set up a little stage, a little lighting rig and Eric didn't acoustic show that night. Um, we then ended up in Sacramento three days off, thankfully, and they Dilla had ServPro come out, de Las the buses, everyone quarantined in the rooms for three days, everyone got better. And we continued the tour on Sacramento. Um, with that being four or five years ago now I had three or four crew members from various departments who refuse to wear a mask. And I was blown away with that at the time. Now we're getting back into a situation where everyone's been arguing on social media masks have become a divisive issue. Vaccinations have become a divisive issue. And now people are going to be on top of each other with all of these things. Uh, Mike May be having to work next to a guy that refuses to wear a mask. Mike May be pissed off about the fact that this guy refuses to wear a mask. I mean, honestly,
Speaker 6 00:14:44 Hate wearing them. Yeah. I hate learning my place. I put a mask on exactly. You know, I get into my car, I'll take it off. Cause it's my car. Nobody goes in it. Right.
Speaker 3 00:14:55 Exactly what I do the same thing. But it's like, you know, it's a, it's that common courtesy. Yes. I've been vaccinated, but I'm still gonna wear my mask or around you. There's going to be some, some issues there. I think, I think there might be some, some infighting on tours. You might have a couple of guys on a bus who refuses to get the mask and refuse to get the vaccination at the same time. Now let's add to the fact that everyone's been yelling at each other on social media for the past year, year and a half. By the time a lot of these tours go out. Yeah. Um, people going back and forth on every issue, that's come up over the past year because all we've done is sit at home. So these are the things that I'm thinking of. I'm not really so worried about COVID protocols on tour, because I think we're going to figure all that out.
Speaker 3 00:15:37 Um, less, uh, smaller venue tours are going to not be able to spend as much as some of the bigger guys are going to be able to spend on having a COVID compliance team on these tours. I'm more concerned about the interpersonal relationships and where the, where that's all going to lead. Um, and then you also have to figure in the fact that people haven't been to a show in a year and a half people haven't been to a large gathering in a year and a half. I'm just talking about audience members. How are they going to behave the younger people going off the rails, going crazy at shows the, uh, older people getting pissed off because the dude next to him is wearing a mask because you're walking on the street anymore. And someone yells at somebody else about either wearing or not wearing a mask.
Speaker 3 00:16:16 It's just all of these things. I think, I think about more than actually getting sick from the virus. It goes, things are very concerning to me living on a bus with somebody that you've had absolutely had it out with over whatever issue it is, whether it was whether it was this, whatever issue has come up in the past year, because we've all been sitting at home. All of these people have been sitting at home, staring at their computers 24 seven, and it's, it's gotta be rough getting back to real life, man. It really is. And I think some people mental capacity aren't ready for it yet.
Speaker 4 00:16:48 Do we think it needs to come down to the, the writers or the, the band themselves like, like, do they need to dictate to the crew? Like you either have a vaccine or you're not on our tour or you either wear a mask or you're not on our tour. We talked about that with labor, uh, last show, um, saying literally that like, if, if you're not willing to wear the mask, go, go home. We'll see you later. You know,
Speaker 6 00:17:15 It's the hard hat thing nowadays too, right? I mean, you do TSO production just walks around. Where's your hard hat. Where's your hard hat. Where's your heart at now? It's going to be, where's your hard hat and your mask. Yeah. I mean, where do we draw the line,
Speaker 4 00:17:27 The line in the sand? I think, I think it's going to have to come down to the artists, to the producers, to the promoters they're going to have to do to mandate something, um, on behalf of these crews and coming into town. Um,
Speaker 3 00:17:43 I think we're seeing it already in sports, at least in California, sports is going to dictate the path. You're absolutely right to
Speaker 5 00:17:50 Get into a giants game or 40 diners game of warriors game, the San Francisco symphony. Um, you have to show that you've been vaccinated or that you have a COVID test within three days that, uh, that you passed. Um, live nation is already set up with some really high tech apps. Um, the shows that I've done with them, um, not only do you have to wear a mask, um, there's a, uh, uh, local, uh, <inaudible> compliance officers, a live nation compliance officer, uh, temperature and, uh, COVID test mandatory. Um, and so there, I think it's going to fall sports very much for larger shows. Um, and you know, just in terms of masks, uh, Ferrazzi, it's mandatory, uh, that you wear a mask. It's not an option at least in San Francisco. Uh, and I'm hoping that it will be that way. Um, at almost every event we go to, uh, it's just, just, you know, science. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:18:53 I mean, I think that the, we we've all been on tour respect is what it comes down to don't crap on the bus, you know, um, if
Speaker 5 00:19:05 The close talker,
Speaker 0 00:19:07 You know, don't right, I'm with you on that one, don't smoke on the bus. Don't like, I mean, stuff, stuff that that's just, we've had to deal with respect. This is just changing, which things need to be respected. I mean, that's really the bottom line, you know? And, um, it's, it's like you said, Rob, it's basic human. Uh, everybody has, or has a different tolerance for risk. And ultimately as individuals, when we are around someone else, we have to, as human beings take their tolerance for risk into account when we're doing something that would affect someone else, you know, um, you know, if a store says, if a store asks us to where I go into Costco, because I need to get food, you know, I have an option to buy food online and pick it up and I wouldn't have to put on a mask, or if they're asking me to put in a mask to patronize their establishment.
Speaker 0 00:20:01 So that's what I do because that's what they've asked me to do. And they've asked it out of respect. So I think that ultimately production managers, I think the word mandate brings down a, uh, kind of that, you know, we're going to crush you under our boot kind of idea. Whereas instead of saying guys, here's the standards that we're gonna, we're going to live and operate by so that everybody out here can perform at their peak level and they can give their best. And then that way we're not taking the chance that one of our brother and may get, you know, sick, the virus, whatever it may be, flu or virus. I mean, and, and, and it, it lasts, works for a number of things. Um, you know, I don't know what, I don't know what you guys had on yours, Rob, um, you know, whether it, the flu or whatever
Speaker 3 00:20:48 It was, but yeah, I don't think any of us really ever found out what that thing was. And we kind of trace about ground zero to a food truck. Okay. Um, but it wasn't food poisoning. It was, it was, it was nuts. I was lucky. I didn't, I didn't get it at all. It was one of like the 27 to 30 people that actually didn't get it. But man, I locked down
Speaker 6 00:21:05 San Diego, when you started this one tour, I was on, everybody got a little too sick then after she went
Speaker 3 00:21:14 Midwest, and then we ended up in California, it was like, it was unusual for country. It was a three week run at run. And the thought that everyone was going to Vietnam for a year when we set our goodbyes in Nashville, it was disgusting.
Speaker 6 00:21:25 Okay.
Speaker 4 00:21:29 They who worked on cruise ships for a very long time. It, it sounds like the Norwalk virus, uh, cause that takes about three days to get out of your system. So if everybody came up clean after three days, then it's probably the Norwalk virus I have that hit. Yeah. I had that hit right in the middle of a load in once and I was the lead and I was alone. Uh, so it was, it was pretty miserable to, to trudge through that does not,
Speaker 3 00:21:55 I, you know, w from what I've been seeing Lee listen, and I, you know, Metallica has done three things while we've been off. And we brought in EIR to be the COVID compliance company on it. And, uh, the bandwidth over and above to make sure that we were safe, um, multiple tests, uh, over the duration while we were there masks, shields. I mean, everything that we could possibly do delousing rooms, anything that we could do to make it safe, they were making it safe for us. Um, made sure that nobody, once you got onsite, we'd nobody walked into a store. Nobody went to a gas station unless you were a stain outside of the, of the gas station, um, uh, food delivery, only all those kinds of things. Now that I'm working, I've been working for a few months now on TV sets. Um, same things.
Speaker 3 00:22:39 Some of them are a little looser than others, but they all have COVID compliance officers. Uh, they all have, you know, uh, just like my wife's company masks, shield, sanitizers, things to move air. I mean, just loads and loads of stuff on sites. I think that we're going to see that from the promoter side on festivals and on individual tours, when we actually get club arena, theater stadiums, I think the tour is going to rely on the local promoter staff to provide a lot of those types of things. Um, and then any other specialty items that they want to agree to that the tour carries that the carp sets up, sorry, that, you know, air movers in rooms, air movers in stages, whatever the case may be, um, uh, temperature checks at doors. And I think we're going to see this for at least till the end of the year, maybe beyond,
Speaker 6 00:23:27 Are you going to see back to back shows? Now I going to be the border crossings. You know,
Speaker 3 00:23:35 The next point I think we might be seeing this longer because our vaccination, um, uh, rollout has gone so much more briskly here. Now they're starting to take down a lot of the max mass vaccination sites. You can walk into a CVS. Now I know here in LA, we're now going into yellow tier, uh, 16, 16, and up can now get the vaccination almost anywhere you want to get it, but international, you know what I mean? Even if we were closer or open up our borders, we still have Canada, Mexico, South America, Europe vaccinations are going very slowly. Um, and then we haven't even talked about, uh, Asia yet Australia, New Zealand are probably be open, but we need to be concerned with all of those things. Are those variants able to get here to the mainland? We're hearing about this horrible variant that's in India. Now, are we going to have to re up on the vaccination? Is there going to be a new vaccination for this thing? You know? So I think in the, in America, in the United States of America, that we're going to be doing okay for touring, but all this other international stuff right now is a giant question. Mark, Rob,
Speaker 0 00:24:38 You haven't thought about this at all.
Speaker 6 00:24:44 Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:24:44 Uh, yeah. I tend to, I tend to sit around and think about what's what's going to happen. And I look at where all my friends are in the world and I see, you know, big shows happening in New Zealand and Australia go, okay, that's great. They're, they're well underway there, but then you hear stories about India. And I just got a text from one of our guys who lives in England. He just got his vaccination. Um, my friend Roland, who's a, uh, designer. He did the last Rammstein and Adele tours, like what a dichotomy there. But, um, they said that they're vaccinating in Germany, 3000 people a day. Wow. I mean, at that rate, the whole country will be vaccinated by 2032. You know, it's, that's, that's just very slow rollout and that's Germany, we're talking, we're, we're talking one of the biggest superpowers in the world. So it's all happening very slowly. The rest of the German London here. Yeah. We're pretty lucky here in the United States at it's happening. So briskly. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:25:36 And it has moved very quickly and it's great. I mean, you know, they, they just put it right to it. And as soon as they got it, got things moving and it's been a, it's been a huge blessing to get a lot of us.
Speaker 6 00:25:47 It hasn't been that quickly because like you said, it's over a year now.
Speaker 3 00:25:51 Well, compared to the rest of the world, the vaccine rollout, that's really what I'm talking about. Like the whole thing is, has sucked for yeah.
Speaker 6 00:26:00 Yes. Oh yeah. My life is a country song right now. That is copywriting. So, you know, that's a choppers exclusive that's it is great. You got to pay me a nickel every time you say it because of inflation. I'm raising it up to a quarter. Now, there you go.
Speaker 0 00:26:20 What, what, uh, what are you guys looking forward to the most? Getting back out on the road, getting back to what the things that, not the one-offs, but the actual, like the buses, the, you know, kind of doing the real, uh, real kind of shows and things like that.
Speaker 6 00:26:35 I want to see my friends yeah. In person and talk to them and ask them how everybody's doing and the camaraderie we all love about being on the road. Even the people you hate. I want to see them again. I hate good to see you. Yeah. Everybody knows that there's people you hate on the road. There's people you love on the road, but nobody's been able to see anybody in life.
Speaker 4 00:27:04 Mike and I spoke a few days ago in preparation for this, we were just catching up and I thought it was going to be about a 15 minute call. I think it was about, yeah, it was pretty long. Or we just, we just kept going and going and going. And it was like, it was like, I can't wait to get back because, because of that, you know, just being able to, to BS with your friends and your family, I mean, we're all family on the road. Um, you know, everywhere you go, you, you spend more than 10,000 hours with these people. Um, it's, it's like, it's like, you're, you're, uh, you know, your tour is your, is your husband, your wife, your whatever, they're, they're that extension of your family? Um, just as much as anything. So, and I'm, I, for one, I'm definitely looking forward to getting back to it and, and talking to everybody, you know, seeing it on a little box on my, my laptop is great, but being able to hug you bastards is way better.
Speaker 6 00:28:00 I, I really social distance yourself away from me.
Speaker 4 00:28:05 I got zoom fatigue nine months ago. It was like, this was cute for a minute, but this sucks, you know, it just got old really quick
Speaker 6 00:28:12 For sure. What
Speaker 4 00:28:13 About you, dad? Can't wait to, uh, have the lights go down and hear the roar of the crowd and, uh, see, uh, the energy of a crowd interacting with an artist and, uh, hearing a really good PA really fucking loud.
Speaker 6 00:28:29 I can't wait to bust my ass in front of 70,000 people again, you know, with the Kabuki fucking up. It's all good. I'll own it. I have, I'll take my bow and you know, we'll get the show going.
Speaker 4 00:28:42 So, so how soon do you think we'll see a full fledged, you know, 60 plus city tour back on the schedule? How long, how long do you think that is? We're already starting to see it. Absolutely. Yeah. Dave just got out. Uh, but do you think state regulations are gonna like hinder some of that? Is it to, are we going to see parts of the legs getting shut down because the state has new hotspot pop-up or very how, how is it possible? Absolutely. I totally agree. Yeah.
Speaker 6 00:29:13 We'll have to see when Texas and the Florida shows go on, you know, those are the States that are opening up right now, Tennessee as well, Tennessee. Huh? Nobody's coming to the Pacific Northwest for sure.
Speaker 4 00:29:26 I just saw Broadway's opening up in July, I think July, I thought so. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. They said Hamilton. Some of it's be, you know, you think about, uh, like, uh, meet and greets some, uh, some is going
Speaker 5 00:29:42 To be gone. So I I'm thinking for some of our trucks, what they're going to lose in meet and greets and BIP stuff is going to be made up in March and there's going to be less room for less stuff. Cause they're going to want to, you got to want to make that money back. Yeah, of course. Um, so, uh, so I think, uh, I think, you know, we'll be, we'll be fighting for every inch of a truck, uh, just cause everybody's not made money for a year.
Speaker 3 00:30:09 Well, that's the biggest, one of the biggest expenses. Yeah. Trucking costs. The, you know, it's funny. I have Jordan. Yes. I have thought about this part as well. I think that the club and theater tours are going to go the way of where Dan is. Dan is thinking that I think they're going to try to cut costs. They're going to try to pay their crew. I think most of them, you know, there was some scumbags out there, but I think they're going to try to maintain their crew pay where it was prior to the pandemic. But I think that the other costs and the other overruns that we're going to see are going to make them carry less lights, less video, less, less, less, right? So the bigger tours, however, I see doing the opposite people haven't been entertained in a year. They have deeper pockets, let's go out and we're going to do the full fucking thing.
Speaker 3 00:30:50 I don't see somebody like Taylor, Katie, my guys, the stones, you to anybody like that. I don't see anybody like that. Cutting. All of these costs. I think that they go, people haven't been entertained in a year, year and a half, two years, we're going to go blow their fucking nuts off. And I think that's, what's going to happen. People are dying shows. Where did she get away with that on the smaller shows and the smaller shows, you know, 10, 15, $30,000 guarantees. These guys can't afford to carry all this shit in the first place. So I think we're going to see a lot of those smaller tours cut those costs, but people cannot wait and they don't give a shit. They're going to go see Sammy Hagar. They're going to go see one of my guys, Billy, either. They're going to go see whoever they're going to go see in these clubs. And they can't wait for people cannot wait to go to shows. Yeah. So I don't think it's gonna matter that you've cut the lighting rig a bit. I don't think it's gonna matter that you've cut the, the, the, the video a little bit people what to go see their, their favorite artists play again.
Speaker 5 00:31:42 And I think you're, I think you're absolutely right about the bigger tours. And I think, um, to differentiate from fucking zoom calls and web concerts, uh, bigger tours gonna look substantially better than they have a long time. Yeah. I think the money is going to be big. Cause it's, cause everybody wants to have that experience when they first come back. Huge. You mean?
Speaker 3 00:32:05 Yeah. A lot of the artists, including my guys are going to be very conscious about the fact that there's a lot of people that work in the restaurant business that work as bartenders at work and, um, that work in, uh, uh, the airline industry, things like that, that didn't work for months. And I think we're going to see a lot of like $15 nosebleed seats, uh, just like, cause I think a lot of the artists, you know, I know Eric Church has certainly conscious about this and he always has been part of the pandemic. My guys are conscious about it to where they always leave some seats at the back maybe, and then they, some people too. And I think we're going to see a lot of that kind of stuff too, where it's like, listen, $15. That's all you can afford. That's your ticket. And then I think we're going to see a lot of upgrades and again, to stick people and VIP pets. And it's kind of really created a lot of, a lot more loyalty to the artist, whatever they can do. Yeah. But I think you guys are absolutely right. That the meet and greet thing is going to go away for some time and they're going to have to come up with other, other ways to make up that revenue.
Speaker 0 00:33:02 Yeah. Well coming out of this though, I mean you're right. Creating more loyalty is going to be, there's a huge opportunity to do that. You're right. To cultivate that, you know, those fun, unknown experiences where all of a sudden, Oh man, this is, Hey, we're, we're moving you into this section over here or you're going to be able to come and, you know, see whatever that, that may be. So, um, that's a, that's a great thought and blowing it out. I agree with you. There's a lot of companies, even on the corporate side of things that are saying that Q1 20, 22, they're going to, they see people blowing money. Like they used to do in the nineties when it used to be just, you know, balls to the wall, no budget is no option. We're just going to put it, you know, we're just going to put it out there and see what happens. And so, um,
Speaker 3 00:33:51 It could, I mean, I live across the street here in Santa Monica from a bar called Thunderbird and this area is sandwiched right between UC Santa Monica and UCLA. Yeah. We've got Pepperdine university on the road. So it's a very heavily college area over here. And this bar across the street, the second they opened the doors, there's 400 kids in a 100 person bar climbing all over each other. They cannot wait to go out and hit on girls and drink until they're blind and they cannot wait to get out. And that's just the younger people. Yeah. You know, I, I can only imagine what, like the parent heads are, cannot wait to get out to, to Jimmy buffet shows and all these things that people can't wait. You know, some people have money put away, some people don't, but I think we're going to see a lot of the, a lot of that, the $15 ticket. And I think there are people are going to help out just watching. I was a little bit of a part, um, of this thing. It's so five stadium, the global citizens vacs event, um, a couple of days ago, and to see 40,000 people inside of a stadium, all wearing masks, granted was like, it was a pretty joyful moment to say the least. It was pretty amazing to, you know, it was pretty amazing to see.
Speaker 0 00:35:02 I just, I actually just had a thought, I mean, we have all of these outdoor stadiums all over the country. You know, what if, what if, you know, and I would hope live nation is thinking like this, but it's like create an entire outdoor circuit for the summer where you've got, you know, let's say two dozen stages of different sizes set up an outdoor stadiums around the country that aren't being used during say like football season, you know, it's like you could roll in there. They're 32 football stadiums around the country. If you were to put a stage in each one and then do basically like an artist circuit around the country where they was just like, you know, every other night doing, doing different shows and then you could keep it all on and you could still well,
Speaker 2 00:35:45 But miserable, come on, stadium tours. It's, it's hot, it's nasty.
Speaker 0 00:35:50 But listen, it doesn't have to be stadiums if they're already, if they're already basically creating a longer term amount of shows instead of just one or two, let's say they do a couple of 10,000 person shows where they only do, you know, lower bowl and the field or something like that. But th but a lot of the gears already, their side screens and other things so that an artist can come in and do a show and it's already outdoors. And you know, they're already putting people at a position where they don't have to go indoors and do arenas for awhile. Um, well I think
Speaker 2 00:36:19 We already have that solution and it's called sheds
Speaker 0 00:36:21 Sheds are okay. Yeah. Sheds are great too. You're right. Good point.
Speaker 2 00:36:25 Yeah. Yeah. Actually Portland, Portland, blues Fest is actually loading in next week and they're, they're doing just that. They're, they're building pour them route, uh, blues fast, and then they're going to leave it up all summer and just let, let acts book it. And they're gonna, they're gonna make it a venue that tourists can, can book all summer long. Yeah. As well. There's going to be a big issue. There's not that many big roofs that a tour gears and set up on two. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:36:53 Well, I think it's going to depend on the tour. You know, there's like a, I've got a friend down that runs a big staging company in LA called stage tech. They own a big five 50 that they set up in a field. That's just going to stay there for, in a parking lot all summer. And they just left it up and they're just going to, people are going to come through. So, you know, you can't do a Metallica size show on a five 50, but you can do, you know B plus
Speaker 2 00:37:17 We've done Webster hall. Come on. We can have fun. We can have fun anywhere every like every night. So, okay. They may, they're in the hallway, they're out and lit up. That's the one thing I love about doing club shows with my guys is like, they it's typically we don't bring in shit. We bring it back line, front, a house console. I get a lighting console and it's go, and it's so much fun just working on the house rigs so much fun. I love it. Love it. I got to set up the drum riser still though.
Speaker 2 00:37:54 There is a big aspect to what you were saying, Jordan, when that is a lot of venues are not going to be cope. COVID compliant. Um, like in San Francisco, Masonic, it's Slack, nation's largest venue. It's 3,300 seats. There's two elevators. Yeah. Uh, so they can't get, they can't fill elevators to get people in. Um, and their ventilation system is from the fifties or sixties. Um, so a lot, I think a lot of, I think a lot of touring is going to be shifting venues, uh, radically as, as some of these venues just are going to come off the block until, until they fit ventilation, uh, uh, patron entrances, those kinds of things, uh, or they're going to be smaller, smaller shows in those types of venues then. Yeah. Um, which, you know, that's a whole different, it doesn't really mattered less where it is, but it's going to change a lot of logistics.
Speaker 0 00:38:56 Drive us, drive the promoters to be more creative, you know, fine. I mean, I did three doors down for a number of years and we were doing there were, there were arenas and towns that I didn't even know had had arenas. You know, it's like cow palace in Tyler, Texas kind of stuff. Um, that
Speaker 2 00:39:13 I think a lot of venues like that, that have been on hold and kind of pushed to the side, mate, we may be all seeing a few of those,
Speaker 0 00:39:22 But if you got, you know, you got a place, maybe you move, uh, maybe you move a 1500 person theater show into a small, you know, C minus C plus arena. And it's going to be a little bit different, but you get a little bit more spread out a little bit more space, but you still cover it with the same type and amount of gear. So, but when the band starts, everybody's going to crush that crowd, maybe, you know, they get closer. They might, but, but I mean, ultimately live nation is looking at that. They're, they're going to have waivers in place and things like that. And they're going to say, Hey, listen, you come here at your own risk. I mean, and that's just like what we do on a day-to-day basis. We get in our car and we, we drive at our own risk or whatever the case may be. So, you know, yes, we can be as concerned as we as possible about the patrons, but people are going to do what they're going to do. And like you said, Rob, I mean, people are going to argue about the dumbest stupidest things in the history of the world. At a certain point, you just have to, like, people are going to be people and let's do our jobs, you know?
Speaker 2 00:40:18 Yeah. They're starting to ensure tours and festivals. And that was a huge stumbling block to all of us was nobody would touch the insurance now they are. So, yeah, I think everybody's pretty confident. They're going to figure it, figure it out. Yeah. Oh yeah.
Speaker 0 00:40:33 I'm excited for the creativity. I'm excited for the change of you. Can't say, well, this is how we've always done it anymore. It just doesn't work that way. So now we've got to think about things differently. I believe
Speaker 2 00:40:44 I love the fact that it's going to change the status quo because you know what, there's a lot of things. The status quo wasn't working on anymore. And I'm really happy that we're, that we're going to have to get creative. We're going to have to change things. I love change. I like it when things evolve. I like it when they modify like it. I love all of that. So if we come up with an experience that is still fun, I mean, listen, it's not, uh, it's not really up to us. It's up to the Michael <inaudible> of the world that are going to change all of this, the, uh, the Irvings, you know, but if we still are able to do all of this, keep it all safe, keep it all fresh, keep it all fun at the same time. Why not make it better? You know what I mean? That's what I love through. It's that whole, that old statement through adversity. And I think that we're going to really see, I think you're right. I think we're going to see a lot of really interesting, a lot
Speaker 3 00:41:34 Of new creativity coming out of a very shitty situation, because for all we know in five years, in 10 years, we may be back in this hole again. We don't know it could be 20, it could never happen again, doubtful with the world's population. That's very doubtful, but, um, it's, it would be good for not only our government, but like our business to, to have that plan in the drawer to go, Oh shit, it's happening again? Here's the plan. We already know how to deal with this. Yep. You know, I think that's going to be very beneficial.
Speaker 5 00:42:02 I really, I, I like, I think one of the, uh, side effects of this is the, the increased scrutiny on safety for us. I mean, that's long overdue, um, conditions, backstage conditions on a bus conditions, everywhere. People are going to be more conscious of where that's never happened before. Um, drivers can only drive so much now. Yeah. But the road, he works 25 hours a day. It's true. That, yeah.
Speaker 3 00:42:36 No, absolutely. And I mean, when you're tired, when you're, you know, that was the one thing that I kind of wished our government had, had gotten a little bit more involved in, was like, okay, masks, social, distancing, wash your hands. But there's also things you could do to build your immunity. Please take zinc, please take this, do this. You know, and I really wished they had pushed wellness a lot more than they really, they didn't really push wellness at all. So I think that's something that we can all do a little bit better, um, about pushing the wellness on a tour. Yeah. These days, your immune system falters, you're working 18 to 20 hours a day. Well, it was cute when I was younger. When I'm 47 years old, it's not so easy anymore. You know, I'm not the only person in the over 40 club here.
Speaker 3 00:43:19 So it's like, it doesn't get any easier. Your immune system gets more deficient and you're more susceptible to getting sick all the time. So those things have to change too. Now I'm not saying on a tour where they they're going to need to have every position to make that happen, but we need to start making sure that people can actually go get some rest and be, you know, in between load and unload out. Um, that say, you know, sanitary conditions are better in catering where the buffet is gone. I imagine that buffet line gone, maybe gone forever. You're going to go in and get a box lunch. It's going to be chicken or fish. Here you go.
Speaker 0 00:43:50 It's going to be like, it's a lot of times in Europe that they, you know, they're like, Hey, what do you want? You know, you, you sit down, they get your choices. I love that. I love that. I mean, frankly, it's great roasted dinner
Speaker 4 00:44:03 Or you'll have completed, you'll have played it, you know, somebody behind, uh, a steam cart, that's plating it for you. And they're, they're the ones touching this stuff. So, so one thing that we've been discussing also, you know, uh, labor shortages, you know, we've lost anywhere from 30 to 50% of our work. Do you think that much? Yes, absolutely. I, and I think that's a low estimate. I think, I think I was thinking more like 20%, but that's interesting. Yeah, no. Um, uh, because of, you know, the, the freelance, the gig worker, that's, that's never had benefits and never had, you know, the, that stability. They're finding that they, they get the pay, you know, maybe it's not as much pay as you would get on the road, but you're getting full benefits insurance, you know, you're in your bed every night. And if you add it all up for the amount you were paying for insurance too, as an independent, uh, and it actually works itself out, you know, um, Joel young, we had as a guest and he he's actually switched his career entirely. He's he's processing plasma at a plasma lab. Once he is out of the business, he is your CA I had no idea I've done and now, and it was like, you should listen to, you should listen to the question.
Speaker 4 00:45:21 Um, but yeah,
Speaker 6 00:45:22 We all plan for a couple months off every year, but not a year now. I mean, like some of you I'm down to my last straws. My life savings is pretty much gone, you know? Sorry, man, that sucks. No, I mean, I'm adapting, I'm overcoming. I got a great shop. I'm doing some custom work. I'm doing some art, you know, that's where this has actually been a blessing that my creative side I've been able to feed my mind. I've been able to feed. That's great. Good for you. I can get to hanging out with my dog a lot. It's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:45:56 I saw, I saw a cartoon the other day that had the dogs like super stoked in one frame, like, Oh my God, you're here all the time. And the person really, really sad and down. And then the next frame is the dog being really sat and down the person who was really stoked because they're going back to work.
Speaker 6 00:46:13 You gotta be that guy, Kali. He likes anything. Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 4 00:46:19 Well, you were talking about less people and I was talking to her every day and as he, as he's Lenin stuff up and making calls, everyone he's dealing with, um, from vendors to venues, to management, to booking, they've all, um, they're all still there, but there's less people there. So where he would have more time devoted to him and his needs and talking, um, there's less people there's less time because there's cause everybody's like big chunks of their core crews, uh, at lighting companies. So companies, uh, booking agents, venues, they've let them go. So like, you know, in San Francisco, there's one person for live nation, uh, for all the venues, uh, everyone else was furloughed. Um, so if you want to, if you want to book something, if you want to work out details on a writer, um, you are one of right now, maybe 30 calls, uh, all in the same day about the same venue. And so it's going to take some, some time to, to get back staff-wise, uh, cause there's been so much, that's kind of the question I was going to, like what kind of roadblocks do you think we're going to see from a labor standpoint? You know, when we just don't have the people and we're going to have this tsunami, this, this incessant want of, of being entertained, but yet we're not going to have the people to do it. How do you, how do we, how do you think we manage that? Uh, moving forward?
Speaker 3 00:48:00 I think there's one positive thing to come out of all of that. Cause I could have sworn that we weren't going to go back out on the road, that every body was going to get undercut on their salaries. I think this is pretty much guaranteed that everybody's going to come back at at least what they're making prior, which makes me very happy that buy lighting crew is not going to be going out for 500 bucks a week.
Speaker 6 00:48:20 That was a worry that I was thinking too, like, is he the guy that wants to cut, cut, cut the rate just to get a job. But I think that's weeded people out that don't want to be in this business really, or just did it for a little bit. Yeah. People that really love this. Like I set up a shop, I'm doing the check-in I get on the road, all this is in storage and I'm gone. Right. You know, that's how I can set up now. I mean, I can put my life as I always did on hold, parked my car. I don't have any question though. I, you know, I can't imagine
Speaker 3 00:48:53 Being a vendor right now and trying to find people.
Speaker 6 00:48:56 I mean, I've got carpenters on a crew that have never touched anything before. What do I do? Teach them what they need to know.
Speaker 4 00:49:04 It was scary going into some, some venues because it's going to be all kids, but I've never touched anything. But I think for what we're taking with us, the, uh, loyalty and integrity that our bands have with vendors, um, kind of ensure that our part of it is going to be covered. Um, and not because of that. Long-term loyalty to that salary, to the lighting company, to the lighting vendor. Um, but when you get to a venue, um, I think all bets are off. I say, um, I think every venue there's to be a lot of fresh faces. Um, it's not going to go,
Speaker 6 00:49:44 You go into a venue and expect to me the greatest thing I go in there expecting they're all mashed potatoes, you know, like really it's a stagehand.
Speaker 3 00:49:53 No, absolutely. And I think, I think speaking on Dan's point as well about, you know, just using his example of San Francisco in a promoter rep, I mean, imagine going into a venue and you've seen the same promoter reps for years, but now, like he said, they've only really kept one guy per region. So now you've got a new vendor rep who a lot of the promoter reps let's face it, our management, they're not roadies. Right. They've never toured. So you've got someone who used to manage a Sears now working for live nation or whoever that is now running venue a in Chicago. And it's little, if there's
Speaker 2 00:50:28 Going to be a lot of learning curves there about what they're going to ramp up as well, just when this all comes back, they're going to ramp up what people are going to be a few months of a learning curve. Just like you having to train your car to be a nightmare. It's really easy to teach someone to use a coffin key, but it's not really easy to do what you do. Oh no. And like Joe said, it's just across the board. The attrition rates been really hot and people that aren't going to come back. So it's going to be new people. It's very true. It's going to be a fascinatingly high number. I hope it's not that high, but damn.
Speaker 0 00:50:59 And then, you know, in touring, Rob, you might be correct in the corporate world. It's definitely that high, possibly even higher. Um, you know, I have a, there's a job that we have in two weeks in Dallas, that's a corporate show at the Omni and it, um, it took all of a month to find the, the dozen or so guys that they needed to be able to do the show. I mean, it took a long time. Um, and even then I suppose I was able to supply another guy, thankfully that I have on my staff. But, um, especially in the corporate world, I think that the touring world, the guys at tour they're hardcore. I mean, that's just, we, we know that that's, that's who they are. It's like part of them and I can, I can name them off the top of my head.
Speaker 0 00:51:43 Um, they figured out a way to get through and, and they're gonna, they'll come up for air and then, you know, we'll be back at it and there'll be some, uh, some amazing shows, some exciting things to happen going forward. Um, and lots and lots of great events that people are going to love to come to and kind of return to the world of entertainment and learning, uh, how to live in the new world that we're in. Um, I'd love to get some last thoughts from you guys on all the people that are going to come back, the touring guys, maybe they got another job. What, you know, porn, some men being a carpenter somewhere else, working at, you know, the convenience store or a corporate job working for a fortune 500 company, whatever that is. You know, if they're, you know, if they're going to want to come back into the touring world, um, what's, what are some things, you know, let's say one or two things that they should be thinking about now from you guys that have done shows already that be prepared for this, you know, so that you can be gig ready.
Speaker 0 00:52:49 The next time you get out on the road, um, to be, you know, ready for the new, the new paradigm shift, that's going to be happening. Asians patients. Yeah.
Speaker 2 00:53:01 There's going to be a big thing every day is going to be a college load-in and load-out Oh yeah. To get a cup of coffee, it took four months to get to the DMV for me. And then I still had to take the ticket when I went in. Yeah. So it's
Speaker 0 00:53:18 Going to be first day, every day, every
Speaker 2 00:53:21 Day. I think for a few months, I really do is just like, uh, everyone's point about, about the labor problem that you guys are seeing about my point about the promoter staff, not knowing the venue, not knowing what's going on, not knowing how this production manager, you know, you got a spring or an OB or, or lug, you know, like our guy and you get all these different people coming in, you know exactly what they want and how they do it. Um, now there's going to be like, are you, I've never met you before. It was going to be a lot of learning curves there and how different artists, different production managers want their production to go. Yeah, you're a Hunter man call is going to be 80 and everybody's lucky hitting the road roughly at the same time. Uh, September seems pretty hot and heavy.
Speaker 2 00:54:02 Exactly. So that's going to impact what you get for a local crew. Are you going to have a rigger that hasn't slept for a week? Cause he's been doing show after show every day. Thanks a lot, Dan. Now I'm going to be glowing all the time. So I think, I think, I think all of us are not only patients, but to really keep an eye out because they're going to be new people or very tired people. Yeah. Not only the COVID safety, but that just show safety in general is going to be a big, big deal until stuff starts to smooth out September. Nobody's worked in a year.
Speaker 4 00:54:39 Yeah. That's, that's the, that's the most important thing there is, you know, that everybody hasn't worked for a year. So I think what we need to really, uh, take into consideration is, is taking that in mind. Be kind. Yeah. Don't, don't be coming in guns, blazing being an asshole, whatever.
Speaker 2 00:55:00 Just shut up, Joe back. Just shut up. Exactly. No, I mean, I'm still taking my naps in the afternoon. You're killing me right now. Sleeping, staying up late, getting up early and then a nap in the afternoon. That's the best time.
Speaker 4 00:55:16 I think, I think, you know, understanding that everybody's life has been a country song this year is going to be really, really important to take into account because you're going to get somebody's first started the day. Who's really not in the mood to be where they're at, even though they're there, you know, and they want to work, but they may not be there mentally. So we have, we have to really just be kind, you know, be cool with everybody and be patient.
Speaker 0 00:55:43 Yeah. Yep. And, and don't take it personal. If somebody points out something that's going on that that's unsafe. If like you see somebody, you know, if, if you overhear a stage and be like, yeah, man, I've finished my load out at 4:00 AM. I just got here at 7:00 AM to get my COVID does. But it's like, it's not personal. We don't want a million dollar lawsuit on our hands because the guy couldn't get home to get some rest. It's just not worth it. It's not worth their life. It's not worth their limb. It's not worth any of it. And even minimal to that. Somebody who hasn't done this in a year, you're not in the groove we know on tour. It's like every day, boom, consistency, same thing. You run the cable, the same route, the same place, the same way. You know, it's going to take a little bit of time. If somebody reminds you of something, just be patient, don't get pissed off. We all know their egos out on the road. Don't tell me how to do my job. Don't tell him, you know, whatever, just Joe, you made a great point. Be kind, take a deep breath. Like
Speaker 6 00:56:43 Should have got a video guy here. We could have told them where to run his cable. Right. Jordan Jordan is video. I am
Speaker 1 00:56:50 The
Speaker 6 00:56:53 Bane of my existence as a carpenter used to be lighting. Now it's video. Mike. I noticed that you guys are doing stuff in video that you've never done before with lights and tiles. It's turned into lighting. Right?
Speaker 0 00:57:05 Always add. I think about my video cable, like a lighting guy does I need, I need extra. I need more. And I need to be able to run it in a different way
Speaker 6 00:57:14 Too damn short for a carpenter then. So
Speaker 0 00:57:20 Well guys, thank you so much. Uh, I really appreciate all you guys coming on today. It's going to be, it's going to be a great second half of the year. I really do believe that I believe that we're going to come back. There's going to be some amazing things. Amazing shows. Uh, I wish all of you guys the best, uh, as you get back out there, man, doing and creating some of your best work that you've ever done. And uh, I'm really looking forward to getting back out there and making some stuff happen. So thanks for being here today. I really appreciate it. Thanks. Yeah, no worries guys. All right, we'll see you guys next time. We'll see out on the road.
Speaker 6 00:57:52 Sounds great. All right guys. Be safe out there. Yeah. Thanks. Bye.
Speaker 0 00:57:57 What a great show today? You know, we live in a different world than we did 14, 15 months ago. But the great thing is, is that with a little bit of grace, a little bit of kindness and a whole heck of a lot of hard work, we're going to see some amazing things happen in the future. So I would just want to say, thanks for listening today. Go share this out. Tell your friends, let them know that gig ready is here to help you be a better professional and prepare you for the world after COVID have a great day. We'll see you next time.
